roger, should that include a public option and why? >> well, lisa, we need a public option to keep the insurance industry honest. one of the deals that congress and the president have cut with the insurance industry is to mandate that everyone buy health insurance. if you're going to ask everyone to buy health insurance, you sure as well better give them a lot of choices, including a choice like a public option. so i think we need a public option. all over the country, this week, our citizen groups, advocates of health care reform, are sending congress back to work with a mandate to get it done. >> anne, there is a certain political reality here in that that there may not be support for a paungs. so if it comes down to no bill at all, or no bill with a public option, where do you come down? >> i think by calling what we have on the table already as a compromise, really it has been achieved. once it passes, to what's draed to without public option, it's going to be against the law to deny anyone coverage because they've had a heart atta